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Today at 01:30 AM Outspoken said this in Post #68 "I still don't see any of my claims having been proven wrong" Sure they have. Keep arguing like you always do, you're wrong seebs, just admit it and move on already.

I understand and appreciate your desire to "call me" on my errant behavior, but I guess I'm just being particularly obtuse tonight, because I haven't figured out exactly which claim I made, and how it was proven wrong.

Could you point out specifically:
1. What the claim is.
2. Which post I made it in.

Ideally, I'd like you to quote the exact text you think constitutes the claim. A while back, you quoted my first post on the issue, in which I said "and that there's some passages they interpret as supporting it.", but since you've said a few times that I had affirmed that they were right, and this quote clearly makes only a claim that this is what *certain other people* believed, I'm assuming there must have been another post in which I made that claim.

"I guess I'm just being particularly obtuse tonight, because I haven't figured out exactly which claim I made, and how it was proven wrong."

I guess you are then. you said the passages support this view, I said they don't. You provided evidience saying reincarnation exsisted in biblical times giving creedence to the passages they cite and I showed you that you were wrong and this view didn't exsist.

so either
1. you didn't read my posts and went off into the wild blue ranting about something we weren't talking about sensely arguing about something because you love to argue and poke at other people in a very mean way.
or
2. you were wrong.

Either way I'm calling you on it.

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Today at 01:37 AM Outspoken said this in Post #72 I guess you are then. you said the passages support this view,

There! That's the part I'm not seeing. Could you point me at the post where I said this, and quote the exact text which gave you that impression? I'm pretty sure I didn't say that, I certainly know I don't *believe* that... so I must have written something which gives that impression, but I'm just not seeing it.

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I said they don't. You provided evidience saying reincarnation exsisted in biblical times giving creedence to the passages they cite and I showed you that you were wrong and this view didn't exsist.

Huh? When did I say reincarnation existed in Biblical times? I was talking about what people believe today, and I found citations saying the belief has been found in various Jewish groups at least a thousand years back - but probably not much further.

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so either 1. you didn't read my posts and went off into the wild blue ranting about something we weren't talking about sensely arguing about something because you love to argue and poke at other people in a very mean way. or 2. you were wrong. Either way I'm calling you on it.

Well, I'm not sure when we got to talking about Biblical times, and I'm pretty sure I never said that the interpretation in question was a correct one; I thought I was careful to clearly denote that I was only talking about what certain sects have believed for a while - maybe the last millennium or so.

If you could point me at a post in which I said something different from this, I'd appreciate it, because I try to avoid making mistakes like that, and I must have written something that didn't come out saying what I meant. If you can point me at the specific statements in my posts that you're understanding that way, I can avoid making that mistake in the future.

Here are my results:

1. Unitarian Universalism (100%)
2. Secular Humanism (98%)
3. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (89%) Don't understand this
4. Liberal Quakers (87%)
5. Theravada Buddhism (72%)
6. Nontheist (71%) this should have been 100% imo

Last edited by Sin of Man on 27th April 2003 at 01:47 AM

"Well, I'm not sure when we got to talking about Biblical times, and I'm pretty sure I never said that the interpretation in question was a correct one"

So it was number 1. That's all you had to say seebs. You should stop doing this. I've noticed you do it often.

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Today at 01:43 AM Outspoken said this in Post #75 "Well, I'm not sure when we got to talking about Biblical times, and I'm pretty sure I never said that the interpretation in question was a correct one" So it was number 1. That's all you had to say seebs. You should stop doing this. I've noticed you do it often.

I'm sorry, but I don't quite follow. My initial post had nothing to do with Biblical times. It seems to me that you started talking about Biblical times out of the blue, and I don't quite see why you started on that; I don't believe I brought them up.

So far as I can tell, your claim here is that I suddenly changed the topic. However, I don't think I did; I made a claim about the present-tense belief of Jewish groups, and I continued to defend that claim. I don't see what Biblical times have to do with anything; I certainly never brought them up.

"I'm sorry, but I don't quite follow. "

allow me to repeat number 1 for you, the option you choose

1. you didn't read my posts and went off into the wild blue ranting about something we weren't talking about sensely arguing about something because you love to argue and poke at other people in a very mean way.

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Today at 01:48 AM Outspoken said this in Post #77 "I'm sorry, but I don't quite follow. " allow me to repeat number 1 for you, the option you choose 1. you didn't read my posts and went off into the wild blue ranting about something we weren't talking about sensely arguing about something because you love to argue and poke at other people in a very mean way.

Except I don't think that's correct. Since I was talking about the beliefs of modern Jews, and briefly about when those beliefs came into existance, for it to be true that I went off into the wild blue ranting about something we weren't talking about, we would have to have been talking about Biblical-era beliefs of Jews. I don't think we were.

I made a claim about modern Jews. You responded by denying this; I provided evidence. You then started talking about whether or not people believed these things in Biblical times, and whether or not they were correct. However, neither of these was under discussion by anyone but you.

It seems to me that you, to borrow a phrase, went off into the wild blue, talking about something we weren't previously talking about. No one ever claimed that Jews in Biblical times or earlier believed in reincarnation; no one said that Jews who believe in reincarnation were correct. Your attempts to disprove these claims, while effective, seem to me to have come from out of the blue; those points were not under discussion.

My only claims, throughout, has been that there exist, and have existed for a while, Jews who believe in reincarnation, and that these people believe that some passages in the Torah support their belief. Any other topic was introduced by someone other than me, and irrelevant to the discussion of the beliefs of modern Jews.

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Yesterday at 11:41 PM Sin of Man said this in Post #74 Here are my results: 1. Unitarian Universalism (100%) 2. Secular Humanism (98%) 3. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (89%) Don't understand this 4. Liberal Quakers (87%) 5. Theravada Buddhism (72%) 6. Nontheist (71%) this should have been 100% imo

Can't you stay on topic?

"I went off into the wild blue ranting about something we weren't talking about,"

Exactly. prooftexting at its best. another context lesson for ya

In all seriousness though, you were going off into the wild blue. I was refuting what you stated, and you started ranting because you like to argue and poke at people in a mean way. You can back peddle all you want seebs, its not going to work. So you need to stop ranting about irrelevant topics then or arguing with people just to argue.